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Raven ISO to Incommand on a non-ISO tractor
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tedbear
Posted 12/27/2024 12:04 (#11028425 - in reply to #11028238)
Subject: RE: Raven ISO to Incommand on a non-ISO tractor


Near Intersection of I-35 & I-90 Southern Mn.
This just might confuse the issue but then again it might help.

I have an InCommand in my Deere 8310R tractor, It pulls our Deere 1770NT ground drive planter. I used the InCommand for steering, Ag Leader's Clutch Control module, an Application Rate module to monitor starter fertilizer and a Liquid Product control module for spray rate control for several years. Those modules are all Ag Leader modules and ISO was not involved.

Later I purchased a used Ag Leader ISO down force system. This module needed its own path to the InCommand. The new ISO cable on the planter had the standard Powell ISO plug on it. This plug would mate with that style connector that was already on the tractor. However, the connector on the tractor was connected to the Deere CAN system from the factory. Had I wanted to use it with a Deere display that would have been fine. I wanted to use it with the InCommand already in the tractor so I needed a way to get the ISO communication to the InCommand instead.

Ag Leader makes a cable for this purpose for my tractor. This cable is sometimes referred to as a Hi-Jack cable. Essentially it reroutes the Powell connector on the back of the tractor to go to the InCommand 1200 instead of going to the Deere wiring in the tractor.

Really what this amounted to was a way to reuse the connector on the back of the tractor with the InCommand instead of going to the Deere wiring. If I should want to use it with a Deere display (seems unlikely at this point), I would need to remove the Hi-cable so the Powell connector would again be connected to the Deere system in the tractor.

This all works fine and I just disconnect the ISO branch from the Powell connector along with all the other hoses and wiring when I unhook.

This leads me to two approaches for you to use an ISO module with a non-ISO tractor that has an InCommand 1200 in it.

1) get or make a harness that connects to the 6 pin ISO branch on certain InCommand display cables and runs out the back of the tractor to a Powell connector. The cable on your implement could plug into the Powell connector. This would likely be the "right" way to do this but the Powell connectors are expensive. This would have the advantage of being pretty obvious to hook up. Since the Powell connectors only mate one way there would be no danger of incorrect connections.

2) the cable coming from the ISO module on my planter has a Powell connector on it, but a few inches back it has a male/female disconnect on each wire. This would allow the individual wires to be disconnected and the Powell stub laid aside. These individual wires could then be connected via wires to the ISO branch on the InCommand display cable. That cable would need to have a plug that plugs into the ISO 6 pin plug on the InCommand Display cable and has connectors on the other end to mate with the cable on the implement. The advantage to this approach would be not needing to purchase Powell connectors. The disadvantage would be possible confusion in connecting the individual wires to the implement cable. Another 4 pin connector pair could be used at the hitch.

You mention wanting to be able to use different tractors with the spreader. Since you also mention not wanting to purchase a kit for each tractor, I am assuming that a display cable is available in each tractor already with a branch for ISO. If that is the case and no other ISO implements are in the immediate future, I would go with choice #2.

One thing is certain, the Ag Leader display cable that you are using with your InCommand must have the ISO branch in it already. I ran into this with my Headsight 2 feeler system for steering my combine. The Headsight 2 controller communicates with the InCommand via the ISO branch.

I had been using an old display cable that came with an Insight and an adapter to the InCommand. That part was fine but the old cable did not have the ISO branch on it. This forced me to purchase a display cable for the InCommand that does has the 6 pin ISO branch on it. You will need that branch with either choice #1 or #2.

The ISO branch business on a display cable falls into 3 categories as I view it. 1) really old cable such as for an Insight - no ISO branch at all. 2) newer display cable for an Integra - 4 pin connector on a branch for ISO 3) current cable for an InCommand - 6 pin connector on a branch for ISO.

Here's some rough drawings of how an adapter arrangement could be made:

Edited by tedbear 12/27/2024 15:32




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